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    Re: Capacitor Biasing in Crossovers

    Thanks for the info guys!

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    Re: Capacitor Biasing in Crossovers

    Link posted on current thread on this topic on the Hi Eff Speaker Asylum:

    http://manuals.harman.com/JBL/HOM/Te...800SE%20ts.pdf

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    Re: Capacitor Biasing in Crossovers

    One on distortion in cables and dialectric biasing in cables:

    www.audioholics.com/education/cables/cable-distortion-and-dielectric-biasing-debunked

    This site has a lot of good stuff on cables and other things.

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    Re: Capacitor Biasing in Crossovers

    Quote Originally Posted by GM View Post
    Thanks for the info guys!

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    You're welcome. And it's a rare day when I can say that to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by bfish View Post
    ...zero-crossover distortion is well documented...
    Guess I should qualify that a bit... it's well documented in amps and active devices. I'm having trouble seeing how it would mean squat to a chunk of wire...

    It's a bit amusing the number of low-component-count minimalists that forget the nasty effects of all caps and have no problem doubling the cap count to get some ambiguous "low level detail".

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    Re: Capacitor Biasing in Crossovers

    Roger Russell (former head of McIntosh Labs loudspeaker division) has some interesting things to say about 'high end' loudspeaker cable. See: Speaker Wire

    The rest of Rogers site is also a lot of fun to read. He has some amazing info there.
    W.

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    Re: Capacitor Biasing in Crossovers

    Hi

    - I DC bias caps that feed signal into my 288-8Ks .

    - It'll be 6 years this coming fall since I employed this circuit arrangement ( & I won't be going back ) .


    - Why ? I simply like the sonic effects that this circuit-topology offers .

    - I am amazed that people would think that there is no change to an AC signal when you pass it through a device that's holding a DC charge. Pure logic dictates that there will be some change. One simply has to decide for themselves if that change is for the better ( and/or if one can even hear it ) .

    - I agree that JBL Consumers' text on the subject is somewhat weak in the area of "convincabilty." I've struggled with it in the past. There's probably a good reason for its' lack of solid argument / ie; they aren't in the business of selling caps to DIYers and in general, don't support the online DIY crowd ( getting their HiFi parts can be a nightmare ) . They seem to prefer to let the sound of their products ( that use DC-Biasing ) sell the concept ( for better or worse ) .

    - FWIW, to my ears ;
    (a) 2 caps end to end sound different than a single comparable cap ( of 1/2 the value )
    (b) 2 caps holding a DC charge ( but not connected to a DC source ) sound different than the uncharged dual caps ( connected end to end )
    (c) 2 caps connected to a DC source sound different than all of the above ( after a charge-up time period ) .

    - Granted these are just nuances that will not be discernable for a lot of DIYers until they deal with more serious system issues ( such as, getting reasonably flat frequency response or matching the dynamics of their individual components )

    >< cheers

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    Re: Capacitor Biasing in Crossovers

    Thanks for weighing in Earl! That answers the "is it audible" question, at least for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Earl K View Post
    ...these are just nuances that will not be discernable for a lot of DIYers until they deal with more serious system issues ( such as, getting reasonably flat frequency response or matching the dynamics of their individual components ) ...
    Now that would make a great signature, or an appropriate disclaimer worthy of repeat in any audio thread!
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